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Sat Aug 28
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Rescues/Boarding agreements |
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The 'Penny' incident brought up an issue that I've been meaning to ask about.
When a horse is adopted from a rescue and goes to a boarding stable who signs the boarding agreement? The adopter? The rescue?
Unless the rescue signs the boarding agreement the boarding stable has no way of knowing there is another party involved. If the board is past due they are within their rights to get a lien and sell the horse. If money is owing the boarding farm is not going to return the horse to the rescue ( even if they signed the boarding agreement) till past due amounts are paid.
08/28/2010 06:10:18 PM
[ Sally Rosenberg ]
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To the Exercise Rider |
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To the exercise rider- Liz: I have posted about needing a home for my horse. He hasn't been
adopted yet but, could use someone to ride him- as much as you want! We have access to trails and
fields to ride. Email me: kaberman1@aim.com
08/28/2010 03:48:40 PM
[ Kim M ]
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PENNY IS FINE!!! :) |
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PENNY (Christine's from Amaryllis) is still at the farm in Southold.I have close contact with a few boarders from there. I spoke to Christine of Amaryllis lastnight AND the lady who lives there and sees Penny on a daily basis. She DID NOT get shipped! She is safe and sound and word is passed on to the owner that the mare is to go back to Christine if at any point the owner decides to give her up. She is safe and sound at the Southold farm! :)
Kate
08/28/2010 10:12:02 AM
[ kathrynjacobs@hotmail.com ]
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Sharyn: Task Force Report |
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Sharyn, I would like a copy of the Task Force report if you don't mind sending it to moondncs@optonline.net.
Thanks
08/28/2010 07:56:47 AM
[ moondances ]
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DRESSAGE RIDER NEEDED |
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Meassage Board:
Please post- contact information for further info on the dressage rider needed for 1/4 leaser on Lusitano is:
cottagepines@aol.com
631-335-9982
Thank You
Ana
08/28/2010 05:05:39 AM
[ Ana O'Brien ]
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Penny |
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Robyn, Go to ALEXBROWNRACING.COM. Click on Camelot thread. There was a Halflinger cross in the kill pen. Are you saying that both the Haffie and Penny may have shipped together? You can see all pics of the horses in the pens. You can post a message there as well and it will reach tons of people and rescues to be on the lookout.
08/28/2010 12:10:50 AM
[ lynhad ]
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Fri Aug 27
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Missing Ottb |
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Robyn, I put info on the Alex Brown Forum regarding Penney. A ton of people there that work on bailing horses From Camelot in New Jersey. Hope you find Penney safe.
08/27/2010 11:54:41 PM
[ lynhad ]
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URGENT!! NEED YOUR HELP..RE-POST FOR CHRISTINE BARRETT DISTEFANO AMARYLLIS |
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urgent!!!! does anyone board a horse at Billy ...., Ackbruly Pond Lane in Southold? Penny, the 11yr 15.3h Ottb belongs to Amaryllis and apparently the adopter was trying to give her away or the barn owner (who is contracted to contact me) called Southold shelter because guy not paying board! urgent! I have been to everyone's house! no one will answer phone! I think they may have shipped her!!!! PENNYS TATTOO IS # C13028. Penny was with a 14.2 Halflinger cross mare.
08/27/2010 09:19:36 PM
[ Robyn ]
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Bruce's appearance at the Clasic |
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What day will Bruce Springsteen be at the hampton classics? On Grand Prix Day or other? ....
08/27/2010 06:48:31 PM
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Riding Classes for Eastern Campus SCCC |
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Fieldstone Farm Equestrian Center is pleased to be offering the
following Equestrian Riding Classes for the Eastern Campus of
Suffolk Community College as part of the Physical Education
program. Interested students should contact the registrars office
to enroll in either Introduction to Equitation and Horsemanship
course number PED 165 or Disciplines in Equitation and Horsemanship
course number PED 166. For additional information regarding these
courses please call Professor Cunningham at 516-901-0359
08/27/2010 06:02:57 PM
[ islandserieshs ]
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Task Force |
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I went to the meeting in Hauppauge last night. The turnout was larger than I had expected and there were several familiar faces. BUT more people need to get involved. The next step is to approach town and village officals. I'm sure there are some members of the community who are good at dealing with politicians.
Yes, there were some organizatiins missing from the list. I had given them both LIHSAA and LIPHA but only LIPHA made it to the final list. I'm sure there are others but if more people had attended the working sessions some of that might have gotten cleared up. That's something that is easily corrected.
There were some good questions asked regarding tax status and the ag definition of a farm. For the most part the answers from the board were clear and on point.
The Task Force members did a great job and spent a lot of time on this project.
Let's hope it goes forward.
08/27/2010 05:08:50 PM
[ Sally Rosenberg ]
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Task Force |
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Some of the charts that were included in the Task force report did not come over to our site very well. If anyone would like the pdf files please e mail me and I will send them to you.
08/27/2010 12:50:40 PM
[ sharyn ]
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Task Force THIS AFFECTS US ALL |
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Introduction
When the Suffolk County Legislature, at the request of Legislator Jack Eddington, passed
Resolution 187-2009 on March 24, 2009, they authorized the creation of the Suffolk County
Equestrian Task Force (Task Force). “The small horse farm is a piece of Suffolk County’s
cultural heritage, as well as our current economy and tourism industry. As I see more and more
horse owners sell their farms and move out of state, I realized something must be done to help
protect this resource.”
To address these issues, the legislation directed the Task Force to study and analyze the various
issues relating to the equestrian industry. This report will provide a detailed look at the history
of the equine population on Long Island, the challenges horse owners and those in the industry
have faced in recent years and provide turn key recommendations for local governments to adopt
to facilitate this industry’s success and provide for its longevity for years and generations to
come.
With Suffolk County’s long history as a rural, agricultural community, the equestrian industry
has become entwined and entrenched as a part of our cultural heritage. In fact, Suffolk County
can boast having the nation’s oldest continually operating ranch, Deep Hollow Ranch, located in
Montauk.
As Suffolk County grew with new residents seeking a suburban lifestyle, the equestrian industry
which acted as an attraction for this migration eastward also found itself a victim of
development. Over time, many horse farms succumbed to housing pressures and paddocks
turned into cul-de-sacs. Many new residents, who never experienced living next to a horse
property, quickly decided that the charm of the horse farm that drew them to Suffolk County was
no longer desirable. Further, as the small horse properties were bought by non-horse owners, the
number of lots in the equestrian inventory gradually shrank.
Despite this development, however, some pockets of equestrian communities remained and
continue to quietly exist today. Many of these equestrian friendly neighborhoods border New
York State, Suffolk County or local Town park properties that offer bridle trails, horse paths and
other equestrian related facilities. Currently, there are 10 such Suffolk County park facilities, 8
New York State managed equestrian facilities, 5 Department of Environmental Conservation
areas, and numerous other riding trails maintained by the 10 towns and 32 villages. Increased
access and awareness of these available resources and identifying new resources remain a goal of
the Task Force.
Like many other communities in Suffolk County, the Hamlet of Medford once boasted a robust
equestrian community and was commonly referred to as ‘horse country’. Yet, as development
pressures on the industry caused the number of properties utilized for equestrian purposes to
dwindle, the remaining owners struggled to remain viable business entities and cover basic costs.
It was this struggle that brought them to Legislator Jack Eddington.
At first, their vision was to mirror Suffolk County’s Farmland Preservation Program which
allows large land owners to retain use and ownership of their property through the County’s
purchase of development rights, thereby protecting the property from future development. This
program applies to farms which are larger than 7 acres and are actively producing an agricultural
commodity. Attempting to expand the farmland preservation program to the equine industry,
however, proved more complex than anticipated. The unique characteristics of the equestrian
industry and the myriad of municipalities within Suffolk County presented only further
complications. Most equestrian properties, both professional and recreational, are less than 7
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acres in size and have very low gross receipts. Further, existing zoning laws, which vary by
town and village, often made operating these small businesses not only difficult but virtually
impossible without violating local codes.
The goal of the Task Force was to bring together the voices of those with varied experiences to
collaborate on a comprehensive solution. The members included horse owners, representatives
from the equine business community, as well as representatives from various levels of
government.
The directive of the legislation included such tasks as identifying the present size of the industry,
including but not limited to the number of equines, the number and size of properties used for
equine purposes, the number of equestrian organizations, and support services; such as,
veterinarians, farriers/blacksmiths, saddlery and tack stores, feed distributers, and manure
removal businesses.
The Task Force is also challenged with enumerating the various governmental factors that
impact the industry throughout Suffolk, including zoning, liability insurance, New York State
Agricultural Districts, Suffolk County Farmland Preservation Programs, available trail networks
and others. Lastly, based upon these findings the Task Force may make recommendations to
help preserve the equestrian industry both for the cultural and economic benefits provided by the
industry.
Equine History of Long Island
Probably no animal has been as important to human history as the horse. The horse has been,
and continues to be, a noble and loyal partner to humans willingly providing many services to
the world around them. It is an unthankful act on our part that the equine existence is taken for
granted and that their needs are overlooked. Humans have forgotten the past services that have
been unselfishly given by the horse.
Some services are no longer needed, but should not be forgotten. At one time before the steam
and petrol engines were invented, horses were the fastest form of transportation on land. Our
nation was explored and built on horseback. Suffolk County is home to the nation’s first
commercial farmers and is presently the largest agricultural producing county in New York
State. We have tractors now to plow fields, but who was it that first pulled the plow – the horse!
Even after the invention of the “iron horse,” the horse was called in to assist with our very own
Long Island Railroad. There were earlier railroads built with the intention of using horses to pull
the cars. In addition to this service and “in spite of the fact that the Long Island Railroad was
built with the intention of using steam locomotives, it used horses in some places from the
beginning, and probably as late as 1895.” Early records, circa 1800, state that in areas too steep
for the primitive locomotives, horses were used to pull the cars up the hills one car at a time.
Then again, horses stepped back onto the track during a period in the 1850’s when locomotives
were difficult to purchase (Long Island Forum).
Long Island was home to America’s first measured racecourse, which was set up on the great
Hempstead Plains in the spring of 1665 (Long Island Our Story).
Their use by messengers and soldiers has turned the tide of many a battle. Horses have held, and
still do hold, government positions. Along 25A there are still markers from Benjamin Franklin,
our first Post Master, who set them up for mail deliveries by horses. The Pony Express
deliveries are no longer, but there are still mounted police units; and, at Fort Bragg the horse
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assists in training our soldiers and serves as a mode of transportation for our soldiers in remote
areas of foreign countries not easily traversed by vehicles.
The medical field is utilizing the kindness of the gentler side of this caregiver. Therapeutic
riding is a venue to train and exercise, while providing a source of enjoyment from which both
mentally and physically challenged children and adults can benefit. Most recently, miniature
horses are being trained and utilized as guides for the blind.
While researching the history of horses on Long Island, it was noted that in “Long Island; Our
Story” horses were mentioned or photos of horses were within 44 of the stories. Horses are
credited with pulling carts and wagons; carrying their humans; bringing the supplies, ice, fruits,
and vegetables; plowing fields; pulling trolleys and train cars; installing gas and telephone
utilities; participating in battle; traversing Long Island in front of stages creating historic byways
– now a network of thoroughfares; herding for the cattle ranches; and for Native Americans, the
first Long Islanders, in addition to these services horses were a source for a whole lot more.
Theodore Roosevelt, an avid horseman, was from Long Island and after the Spanish-American
War brought his troops and horses to Deep Hollow Ranch, the oldest continually operating cattle
ranch in America, located in Montauk from Camp Wikoff for recovery. The whole country,
mostly New Yorkers, traveled out there to watch the cowboys, culled from the east and west
coasts demonstrate their abilities. President William McKinley attended and asked Roosevelt to
run for Vice President. Roosevelt, who truly enjoyed riding once slipped his secret service boys
and rode from Oyster Bay to Sayville when he was President.
Horses have been exploited for every use possible. Several cultures drink mare’s milk; and horse
hair is used for violin bows, mattresses and lining for clothes, horsehide is made into fine
cordovan leather, and glue is often made by boiling horse bones and cartilage. Even their
immune systems produce life-saving tetanus anti-toxin, while their manure is commonly used for
fertilizer and was sometimes even used for fuel.
An article written for the Long Island Forum, August 1946, tells of the final example of a
historical use of horses on Long Island. Early records of the Town of Oyster Bay note the use of
horses playing an important role in transactions, specifically land transactions. Apparently
horses were used to purchase land. Considering the intent and purpose of this report it is without
a doubt the most ironic historical use.
Modern day uses of the horse and other equine species are seen all about Long Island. Mostly,
horses are used for recreational purposes and fill a role of a special kind in a working
relationship. Our “recreation” is a 365-days-a-year commitment. Although considered a
sporting companion, it is not just about riding and owning a horse; this is really a way of life ? a
way of life that is worth preserving on Long Island.
Equestrian Population
The equestrian population consists of a wide variety of breeds that are utilized for many different
purposes ranging from the racing thoroughbred to a farming donkey. The New York State
Department of Agriculture and Markets (NYS DAM) in coordination with the United States
Department of Agriculture, National Agriculture Statistics Services, conducts periodic surveys of
the equestrian community statewide, and completed the most recent survey in 2005.
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The Survey estimated that there were a total of 197,000 equines throughout New York State and
15,300 in the Long Island and NYC region (LI NYC region). It ranked Suffolk County 6th in the
State with inventory of 6,200 head and Nassau just ahead at 5th with 6,300 head.
While the number of equines reported held steady statewide from 1978 to the 1988 survey, there
was a significant drop of 14,000 equines (168,000 total) representing 7.7% of the reported
population after the 2000 Survey. Such wide variations in the State Survey totals leads the Task
Force to believe that other factors caused a significant decrease in reporting. Several
explanations have been suggested. One reason for the decline could be the implementation of
new and stricter zoning laws causing equine owners to either underreport or not participate in the
Survey. Additionally, outreach may also have caused problems, as members of the community
reported that the Survey was only forwarded to those who responded to previous surveys. It is
encouraging that there was a significant increase (17%) in the number of equines reported in
2005, which also was the largest number of equine reported all the years that the survey has been
conducted.
There are concerns among active members of the equestrian community that the Survey’s results
maybe skewed as it is unlikely that all equine owners were contacted or responded. So while it
cannot be used solely to determine the number of equines in Suffolk, it can provide some
assistance in deriving the general characteristics of our equine population. It separated the
equine breeds into six main categories: Racing Breed Horses, other Light Horses, Draft Horses,
Ponies, Miniature Horses, and Donkeys and Mules. (See Appendix I for Breed Descriptions)
If we assume that the Survey’s responses are generally a reflection of the overall true equine
population then we can develop a general picture of the types of equines within Suffolk County.
Therefore, we can deduce that most equines (92%) within Suffolk are of the light horse breeds,
including racing breeds, and the remaining four types only constitute 8% of the equine
population. Below is Table 3 from the Survey that reports total equines in a district by type.
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The following table applies the Survey ratios per breed to the Task Force’s estimated equestrian
population to determine the approximate head for each breed residing in Suffolk County.
*Total estimated equine in Suffolk County
** Based upon Survey Ratio that light breeds constitute 92% of total equine population in LI NYC region
The New York State Equine Survey went further to also provide six distinct categories of uses
for which each different type of equine may be utilized: pleasure, breeding, racing, competition
or sport, lesson and specialty uses.
According to the Survey, pleasure uses representing 36.6% of the responses were the largest
category for equine throughout the state as well as in the LI NYC region. Any equine used
primarily for recreation use such as, trail riding, hunting, pleasure riding, pleasure driving, 4-H
and other youth programs were considered pleasure uses. The pleasure uses were represented by
large proportions of all types and breeds of equines.
The second largest category of uses fell under the racing category, defined by any horse kept
primarily for the intention of racing whether or not a pari-mutuel event. This category represents
17.6% of the respondents within the LI NYC region. This category also offers the greatest
possibility of deviation based upon areas within the larger defined region, as there are two major
racing facilities located outside of Suffolk County (Belmont Park in Nassau County and the
Aqueduct in Queens).
Competition and sport use (14.4%) is a category that could most easily be confused with
personal use. These equine are used primarily for showing, polo events, as well as both eastern
and western competitions. Given the large number of associations that organize such events and
that many participants own only a few horses, the responses to this category could easily be
confused for a pleasure use horse.
Breeding equines, as defined as broodmares, stallions and foals born within the calendar year of
the survey represented 9.8%. Lesson use (11%) are any horses used primarily for instruction or
training and specialty use (3.3%) which includes equines riding stables, therapeutic riding, day
camps, and driving type activities are two very closely resembled categories as both uses
typically relate to a business or professional enterprise. As does the last category, other (7.2%),
that encompasses such activities as police and farm work animals.
Total Number
of Equine
All
Lightweights Standardbred Thoroughbred
Quarter
Horses Appaloosa Arabian
Morgan
11,700* 10,770** 6% 645 45.4% 4,885 19% 2,045 .7% 75 .7% 75 .7% 75
Pinto/Paint
Warmbloods Crossbred
Other
Light Draft Ponies
Miniature
Horses
Donkeys
and
Mules
2.1% 225 7.2% 775 9.2% 985 9.2% 985 2% 235 4% 467 1.3%
150 .7% 80
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While the Survey provided for a general categorization of uses of the equines within the
community, there are very specific disciplines within each category. There are nine English
disciplines, twelve Western disciplines, and other activities related to parade horses, driving, and
vaulting disciplines available in Suffolk County for equestrians to participate in local
competitions or perform in local events and parades. Last but not least trail riding is an overall
favorite enjoyed by many equestrians regardless of their customary discipline; however,
Competitive Trail Riding or Endurance Trail Riding competitions are not held in Suffolk. These
events require large spans of land and given the dynamics of land management, it is difficult to
plan locally. (See Appendix II)
Means to Identify the Current Equestrian Population
The Task Force will proceed in a variety of manners to attempt to derive the actual number of
equines within Suffolk County and will be able to rely upon these general percentages as a
means to achieving that task. Estimates of the number of horses in Suffolk County were derived
through three methods; based upon the Survey and based upon the normal workload for the
existing Blacksmiths and Veterinarians working in the area. The three different totals were then
averaged together to produce a final estimate of equines in Suffolk County.
New York State Equestrian Survey:
According to the Survey, in 2005 Suffolk County was home to 6,200 equines, an increase of 400
or 7% from the 2000 Survey counts. Suffolk’s total equine head count represented 40.5% of the
total LI NYC region count of 15,300. Many individuals throughout the community will dispute
these numbers as low based upon reasons previously discussed. However, lacking other
resources to rely upon these two ratios will be carried forward to assist in the determining
estimations.
Strictly relying on the Survey, the Task Force suggested applying the 5 year growth rate found
between the last two survey years to estimate the 2010 equine population. Suffolk experienced a
reported 7% growth during this period, which if continued at the same rate in the following five
years would result in an estimated population of slightly over 6,600 equines in Suffolk in 2010.
Blacksmith Estimates:
The blacksmith or farrier service is an important need as all equines require regular treatments of
their hoofs, with the application of horseshoes and trimming hoof growth. This regular service is
as critical to a horse’s health and well being as a regular oil change is to an automobile.
Therefore, the task force attempted to determine a possible equestrian population based upon the
workload of the farriers in the LI NYC region. Determining an exact count is difficult, and there
is potential for both overestimation and underestimation as some owners do not care for their
equine as well as others.
An active, local farrier, Jerry Tripiani, stated; “some farriers are busier than others and we never
work a 40 hour week, usually 6 days and 10 to 12 hours a day in the season, maybe 40 in the
Total
Number
of Equine
Breeding
Lessons Competition Racing Pleasure Specialty
All
Other
11,700 1,150 1300 1,685 2,060 4,280 385 840
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slower winter months. Not all horses are shoed with 4 shoes. It takes approx 1 hour for 4 shoes,
2 front and just trimmed hind feet takes 30-35 minutes” Following Mr. Tripiani’s suggestions,
the calculation based on the farrier-based estimate of the population was separated into an 80/20
split. Eighty percent of the equines on Long Island would have shoes and trims performed every
six weeks as an average normal hoof need and the remaining 20% would only get the hoofs
trimmed two times a year. There are approximately 75 to 80 farriers in business in LI NYC
region, who all travel from farm to farm to ply their trade. Given a typical 40 hour work week
and taking travel time into consideration, a farrier will see one horse per hour. We derive our
estimates for the maximum and minimum ranges and took the average (see Appendix III. By
applying Suffolk’s Survey proportion of 40.5%, we estimated that the total farrier-based
population estimate in Suffolk is 13,000 equines.
Veterinarian Estimates:
Like the farrier, the veterinarian is equally an important part of the equestrian industry. While
the horse may seem to be a large and sturdy animal, keeping it in good health requires regular
check ups and medical treatment. Most owners will ensure that their horse or other equine will
see a veterinarian twice a year.
We took testimony from Dr. Howard Flynn, a local veterinarian and member of the Long Island
Veterinarian Association. According to Dr. Flynn there are approximately 17 to 20 active
veterinarians who serve the equestrian population on Long Island. Like the farrier the equine
veterinarian often travels and works a typical 40 hour work week. Just considering the normal
routine visit a veterinarian will typically see an average of 2 horses per hour. Therefore, using a
similar procedure as we did with farriers, we were able to estimate a veterinarian-based total of
estimated 15,500 located within Suffolk County.
Final Estimate
It is clear that the estimates based upon known existing businesses far surpass any estimates
produced by the Survey; even after applying the Suffolk or New York growth rates, 7% and 17%
respectively. Therefore, to produce a final estimate an average of the three different methods to
derive Suffolk County’s equine head count was taken providing a total of 11,700. It is likely that
the estimate is low by industry standards, yet, it remains a significant number that would place
Suffolk County among the top ranking of equines throughout New York State. (See Appendix
III)
Equestrian Owners
The equestrian community and horse owners are often perceived to be the sole purview of the
elite; one immediately thinks of polo, the Hampton’s Classic and the Belmont Stakes. However,
these stereotypes couldn’t be farther from the truth. Most horse owners are not wealthy, but are
rather middle class individuals who choose to make equestrian activities part of their life. Some
owners are purely hobby owners, who ride on the weekends or in their off time. Others actively
use their horses and their properties as a way of earning a living. For the purpose of the Report,
the Task Force has decided to separate horse owners into two separate categories: Recreational
and Professional.
Recreational Owners
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Recreational owners are those who own their animal specifically for their own enjoyment; much
like those who own classic vehicles for a hobby. Recreational owners may enter their horse in
competitions, shows or races, but do not derive regular income from such activities. The
pleasure, competition and sport uses as identified by the NYS Equestrian Survey likely constitute
the large majority of recreational owners’ inventory.
There are generally two different groups of recreational equine owners, those who keep their
horses on their own property and those who board them. The boarders typically find themselves
with two different options: full board and rough board.
Full board provides for the complete care for the day to day needs of the horse including feeding,
bedding and stall maintenance. Often the full board offers options for other needs such as
grooming, training and exercising the animal. Some boarding operations will also provide
clipping, tacking, shipping, training and lessons for horse owners who show or compete with
their horse. The larger and more expensive facilities may even have comfortable lounges, indoor
arenas, manicured rings and large grass turnouts. Depending on the location, size and services
available full
boarding can cost
between $350 and
$3,000 per horse per
month.
Rough boarding is
often a less expensive
alternative for an
equine owner capable
and willing to provide
for some of the care
themselves. Each
barn owner
establishes different
arrangements with
rough boarders,
which can range from
an equine owner who
strictly rents a stall
and does all the
associated work to
care for the equine to
a combination of the
barn owner providing
the feed, hay or
bedding. Rough
board also varies with
the amount of work the equine owner is able to put in and can range from providing labor to
$300 per horse per month.
The owner who keeps their equine on their own property must ensure that they provide for all the
needs of their animals. This includes purchasing feed, hay, supplements, tack, as well as
cleaning the stalls, disposing of manure and a long list of other associated responsibilities.
SAMPLE BUDGET PER HORSE PER YEAR
FEED:
Hay (20 lbs. per day x 365 days =
7300 lbs.
or 3.65 tons x $275 per ton)
$1,003.75
Grain (4lbs. per day x 365 days = 1460
lbs.
or 29 - 50 lbs bags x $17.50)
$507.50
BEDDING (4 bags shavings per week x 52
weeks
or 208 x $6)
$1,248.00
VETERINARY SUPPLIES
AND CARE:
Immunization (Fall and Spring ) $200.00
Deworming (6 times per year x $11.00) $66.00
Dental and Misc. $170.00
Farm call charges $75.00
FARRIER:
Shoeing Front Shoes only at $120 / 6
times per year
$720.00
Full shoes at $160 / 6 times per
year
$960.00
Trimming $50 / 6 times per year $300.00
TOTAL (Feed, Bedding, Veterinary +
Farrier average)
$5,050.25
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The costs of owning a horse will vary for each owner depending on his or her availability of
time, labor and property. The Survey utilized overall expenditures throughout New York State
to determine an average cost of owning a horse of $5,594. The estimate includes such
expenditures as boarding, training, advertising, and labor; all items that the recreational owner
may do without.
Horsekeeping on a Small Acreage is a ‘how to’ book for the recreational equine owners who
keep their animals on their own property. It provides a very basic budget to help the owner
determine minimum yearly costs to owning a horse. The Task Force utilized the following
sample budget to develop an estimated operating cost per horse for this type of owner.
Substituting current prices for the budget items of hay, grain, bedding, veterinary and farrier
services, we estimate that the minimal cost per horse at $5,050.25.
In comparing the two, it is also important to note that the Task Force estimate does not include
other unavoidable costs such as manure removal, property taxes, insurance costs, utilities and
other items.
Professional Owners
In addition to the recreational horse owners, there are those that utilize their equine to generate
revenue or for work related purposes. The equines uses typically associated with the
professional owner include racing, therapeutic programs, training, riding schools and lessons, but
also may include work related uses such as driving, farming, and police work. While most of the
professional owners keep their animals on their own property; it is not unusual to find racehorse
breeds with more than one owner and stabled at a track barn where the animal can be trained for
a life on the racetrack.
Equestrian Organizations
Currently, there are approximately 20 organizations throughout Long Island that cater to the
equestrian community (Appendix IV). The groups vary in size of membership depending on the
foundation upon which it was formed. Some groups are geographically based, others are formed
based upon a specific equestrian discipline, and others yet for the horse breed or uses. What all
of them have in common is each has a mission of educating the public and promoting the
equestrian community, land preservation and management, and trail maintenance.
Equine Property Uses
The numbers of equestrian properties and property owners is another feature of the equine
community that presents a challenge in identifying. The very large majority of equine properties
are those between one and ten acres. The Survey defined each property utilized for equine
purposes as an operation and listed the LI NYC region as having 1,800 such places utilizing a
total of some 50,000 acres. Operations were divided into 5 main categories, commercial
boarding and training, commercial breeding, crop/livestock farms and non-commercial/non-farm
uses. An overwhelming number of respondents to the Survey identified their operation as noncommercial/
non-farm with 1,350 or 75%.
The Survey results reflect what is well known about the equestrian industry in Suffolk, that it is
largely a cottage industry operated on small properties that often double as the owner’s primary
place of residence. Each property is unique and could fall under a wide range of zoning codes
including residential, commercial, light industry or farmland. With each different town and code
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are different regulations on the number of equines permitted on the property. Often these codes
prevent an owner from boarding the number of equines necessary to be a viable operation, and
therefore, it is likely that Survey respondents may not have identified their true use.
For the purpose of clarification and to provide a more accurate count, the Task Force has
proposed new divisions for equine property uses: Recreational and Professional.
Recreational Uses
As discussed with the recreational equine owner, there are a number of individuals in the equine
community who keep their animals on their own property. Typically, these properties are in
residential neighborhoods and are 1 to 5 acres in size with a very limited number of equines.
They do not generate revenue from their horse nor from the equestrian use of their property,
though they may board extra horses on their property as a means to help offset their own costs.
The Task Force will be identifying these properties as Recreational. It is the belief of the Task
Force that the recreational properties constitute the majority of the equestrian properties both in
numbers and in total acreage; however, it is difficult to identify specific numbers.
The various town and village codes pertaining to horse densities often make it difficult for even
the recreational property owners to comply. Cost factors such as bringing in hay, feed, bedding,
and insurance while removing manure all make it difficult for the small recreational owners to
subsist in Suffolk County. Similar to all property owners in Suffolk County, property taxes are
another large burden on the recreational owner. Yet, since they derive little to no income from
their property or equines and they do not qualify as farms and as such do not qualify for farmland
preservation programs that can provide assistance by lowering property tax rates.
Professional Uses
The professional use property is one through which the owner maintains equines or equestrian
activities that are related to a business and the production of revenue. Typically an equestrian
operation is a farm. A farm property maybe zoned as agricultural, commercial or even
residential. The result is that the zoning standards for professional use properties are varied
throughout Suffolk County. The major professional uses in Suffolk County are riding schools,
boarding stables, show-grounds, along with other smaller uses such as breeding, track,
retirement, lay-up and rescue barns.
Riding Schools or Academies
The riding schools on Long Island also offer boarding, and usually have summer day camps.
They provide horses for lessons for riders of all skill levels from beginners through advanced.
Many offer the opportunity to show at in-house shows as well as shows off the farm property.
They are usually staffed with professionals and other qualified personnel.
In recent years, handicap riding programs have grown in number offering therapy to handicap
children and adults. Some riding schools offer these programs in addition to the regular lesson
schedule, while others are strictly for handicap riders. These riding schools can have their own
facility or can operate out of another lesson/boarding barn.
Stables
Starting at one end of the spectrum is the full service, full board show barn offering all the
amenities including comfortable lounges, indoor arenas, grooms, manicured outdoor rings, very
large grass turnouts, extreme aesthetics, etc. Boarding and lessons are their primary source of
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income. Board cost at these types of stables will range from $1,500 upwards to excess of
$3,000.
The next in the sequence is the basic large boarding barn with 50 or more stalls offering less
services, but still very comfortable surroundings. These offer the choice of several boarding
packages and trainers, indoor/outdoor arenas, a few grass turnouts, many smaller pens, etc.
Again, boarding is their primary source of income; however, some may do a large camp
program. Board prices at these facilities can range from $900 to $1,500.
The smaller barn of about 12 to 25 stalls usually offers a variety of boarding options and full or
rough board are both possibilities. Some barns are owned and operated by lesson professionals
and others invite or allow freelance instructors and trainers. Some have grooms and additional
help while some are fully operated by the owners. Some are strictly boarding, or lay-ups, while
others offer a multitude of involvement. Most have nice, large, lit, outdoor rings and other
amenities, but only a few have indoor arenas. Board costs at these barns can range from $400 to
$900.
The next group is probably the largest and includes most barns which are located on residential
properties. Barns of 10 stalls or less usually house the owners’ horses and some boarders; full or
rough, to offset the expenses of owning horse property. Some are located near parks with
equestrian access for those interested in riding on the trails, and some are equipped with rings or
other amenities for different disciplines. Some owners teach out of their yards, and often
freelance professionals frequent these barns. Full board at these barns can range from $350 to
$600, depending on the barn’s location and proximity to parks and trails. Rough board is
determined by the amount of manual work to horse needs ratio. Some people can get free board
in exchange for their labor.
Show Grounds
Most of the privately owned properties that host competitions, of which there are about 12 in
Suffolk are limited. Some offer just large fields with grass footing; manicured or not. Others
have facilities such as fencing, space for competition offices, lavatory facilities, and various
footings. Others have rings with sand or other manufactured footing, designated with fencing,
small buildings equipped with electricity and plumbing for the use of office work and bathrooms.
And still, others have large enough indoor arenas for winter events. Most are limited in space,
making it difficult to have adequate parking for trucks, trailers, and cars.
Others
There are several breeding facilities, and a few track barns that do not offer lessons to the general
public. They do, however, offer boarding to those who have a precise interest in breeding their
mare, or preparing their horse for the racetrack.
There are a few lay-up barns that offer boarding and care for horses that are recuperating or
convalescing, and will need veterinarian attention or specific care.
There are also retirement farms that offer inexpensive board to those who would like to retire
their older horses, however, due to cost, they are very few in number, and many horse owners
choose to send their horses out of Suffolk County for retirement.
Growing in popularity is the rescue barn, usually operated by a good-hearted soul who takes on
horses bound for an unpleasant end. They usual finding the equines at sales and after
rehabilitation try to relocate them with permanent homes. These barns can be privately owned or
operated out of larger facilities.
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Equestrian Professions
The various professional operations all require employees, both manual labor and skilled
professionals to help them run. For some of the smaller operations, the owner and his or her
immediate family may be the stable hand, instructor and trainer all in one. While in many rough
board stables the customers are the manual labor.
There are several manual or unskilled employees that may work at a professional operation. The
stable hand shovels out stalls, cleans paddocks and performs other day to day tasks of a farm.
Groomers brush and preen the horse to help keep it clean and free from parasitic insects. Large
facilities, especially those involved with racing, may have exercise riders and walkers who
ensure the horses receive the proper amount of physical activity in a day.
Professionals are those who have acquired and honed their expertise through years of experience
with horses and in the business, or in more recent years, have become accredited through a
program, school, or college. There is a fine almost invisible line between a trainer and an
instructor, as they often teach both horse and rider. Racehorse trainers train and maintain the
physical condition of the horses, but also instruct jockeys in the techniques of riding each of their
horses. Show horse trainers bring horses along the discipline at which they are proficient, but
also teach riders to ride these horses. The word instructor is usually associated with the
professional who teaches the novice rider at lesson barns or camps. It is also important to note
that there are many professional trainers and instructors working in the equestrian industry who
do not own horses or equine properties. They are freelance professionals and they work out of
one or more facilities.
Breeding farms have their own professionals, educated husbandry which deals with the
reproductive systems and genetics of equines. Often times a breeding farm would have a
veterinarian either on staff.
Equestrian Economy:
Equine Values
The Survey listed the value of all equines in New York in 2005 at $1.83 billion, with LI NYC
region having a total value of $447 million. The Survey ranks Suffolk County 6th in total equine
population and 4th in total values at $126 million, representing 6.9% of all equine value
throughout the state and 28.35% of the LI NYC region value. While the increase in the number
of equines from the 2000 Equine Survey was just 7% our equine valued nearly doubled to an
average equine value of $20,322. Nassau County, 5th in equine population, was 2nd with a total
value of $221 million. The Survey listed the average value of an equine at $9,300, with racing
breeds at $22,710 and warmbloods (a type of light breed) at $22,000 throughout the state. Given
that thoroughbreds, with an average value of $27,600 comprised nearly half of the region’s
equine population (6,400) and that the region encompasses two major race tracks, it is clear that
many of LI NYC region equines are of higher value than in many other regions of the state that
have higher equine populations. In fact, Survey results show that the LI NYC region’s equine
values were second only to the Southeast region, which recorded a total of 42,500 head.
In 2008, the United States Department of Agriculture, National Agricultural Statistics Service,
who worked with NYS Department of Agriculture to develop the 2005 Survey, published the
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2007 Census of Agriculture. The Census found that the total equine sales in Suffolk County at
$557,000 for 156 equines sold for an average sale value of $3,570. Unfortunately, the Census
data was woefully inaccurate as it reported only 1,677 horses and ponies in Suffolk County and
an additional 692 in Nassau as compared to the 6,200 and 6,300 reported respectively in the 2005
Survey and our present Suffolk estimate of 11,700.
Equine Related Assets
The Survey reported total equestrian related assets in New York at $10.4 billion including the
$1.83 billion in equine values. The LI NYC region alone represents $2.5 billion of those values,
including $447 million in equine values, representing 24% of New York’s assest. The highest
valued assets, as expected, are the land, fences and buildings that constitute our equine
properties. In total, land related assets totaled $7.08 billion in the State and $1.888 billion in the
LI NYC region or an average of $67,440 per acre. Like equine values, the property values in the
LI NYC region are second only to the Southeast Region and far surpass land values in any other
part of the state. It is important to note that this includes the values of both Belmont and
Aqueduct Racetracks. If we assume that the equine value ratio for Suffolk County’s equine
(28.35%) holds true for all assets, than total assets within Suffolk would be $712 million of
which, land, buildings and fencing is $556 million, vehicles and equipment at $35.6 million, tack
and clothing $12.8 million and equine feed and supplies are $1.2 million.
*Values are derived from USDA-NASS-NYS DAM 2005 Survey Response
Equine Expenditures
The Survey went on to analyze the total expenditures and revenue for all equine related activities
in New York State. Total expenditures topped $2.06 billion in 2005 a near 300% increase from
total expenditures reported in 2000 of $704 million. Of that slightly over $1.1 billion were in
operating expenses alone, which include a host of goods and services, such as farrier services,
hay, grain and other feed, manure disposal, among many. Capital expenditures were just slightly
less than $1 billion, which comprises of purchase of equines, equipment, and land and property
related improvements.
In addition to the $2.06 billion in expenditures reported in the Survey the equine industry also
generated over $445 million in revenue through equine and related sales, training, breeding,
services and winnings.
Total Equine
Related Assets
Equine on
hand
Land,
Buildings,
Fencing
Vehicles and
Equipment
Tack
equipment,
and clothing
Equine
feed and
supplies
LI NYC
Region
2,510,180,00 446,690,000 1,888,430,000 125,660,000 48,140,000 4,380,000
Suffolk
County
(28.35%)
$711,636,030 $126,660,000 $556,369,900 35,624,610 $12,763,170 1,241,730
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Utilizing the
economic impact
software IMPLAN
(Impact Analysis
for Planning), the
Survey went on to
attempt to derive a
total impact of the
equestrian industry
on New York
State’s Economy.
According to their
estimates, the
statewide economic
impact of the
industry is between
$1.38 billion and
$1.73 billion in
2005 dollars. If
adjusted for
inflation and
assuming no change
in size and scope of
the industry from
2005 to 2010 the
impact would be
$1.54 billion to
$1.93 billion.
In addition to the goods and services utilized by the equestrian community, they further
contribute to our economy through property and sales taxes, and park permit fees. In fact, the
Survey reported that $82,580,000 in property taxes was paid in New York State in 2005, over
double the amount of property taxes reported in 2000. The Survey determined that the average
operating expense per horse in 2005 to be $5,594, if one applies Suffolk’s 8.65% sales tax rate to
those taxable operating expenses, you would find that the average horse produces nearly $150 in
sales tax yearly, or an estimated $1.755 million every year in Suffolk County (Appendix VI).
Equine Businesses
There are a large number of businesses that provide goods and services to the equine community,
which can generally be divided into two categories: those that are directly related to the
equestrians and would not exist without the activity and those in which equines are a part of their
overall business. Some direct services include veterinary and dental care, pharmacological
services, feed supply, massage therapy, tack shops, groomers, boarding, farrier or blacksmith
services, equine training, rider and driving schools and instruction, breeding, manure removal
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and disposal, and show and competition facilities (both indoor and outdoor). Depending on the
size and operation of each business the labor potential includes not only the principal provider of
the service such as the instructor or veterinarian, but also assistants, bookkeepers, salespersons,
and other laborers.
Other needs of the equine community include fuel supplies, insurance, utilities, vehicles and
trailers, tractors and other farm equipment, fencing, building supplies, raw materials such as sand
and gravel, realtors, legal services and advertising. In some instances niche businesses have
formed out of this second category to cater specifically to the needs of the equine community,
such as Long Island Horse Properties which provides equine real estate services.
As with almost any industry, there are a number of equestrian specific publications that range in
issues from the general to ones focused on a specific discipline or use. One, The Horse
Directory Magazine, is published monthly in Eastport and provides news and updates regarding
equestrian activities, clubs and events throughout Long Island.
Many high schools have equestrian teams. Some area colleges and universities have teams that
compete as part of the Intercollegiate Horse Show Association, including Dowling College, St.
Joseph’s College and SUNY Stony Brook, some even offer scholarships. In fact the IHSA Zone
2 Region 4 consists of all the Suffolk teams, along with Hofstra University, C. W. Post, Molloy
College, Nassau Community College in Nassau and New York University and Columbia
University. Both Suffolk and Nassau Counties have or had up until very recently 4-H clubs with
equestrian components that operated as a part of Cornell Cooperative Extension.
Equine and Equestrian Property Needs
Horsekeeping is managed on different levels and is influenced by the individual needs of the
horses kept at the facility. The individual equine needs coupled with the constant introduction of
new products, development of new aids, and revised land management recommendations make it
necessary and sometimes a requirement to make changes to a facility’s site-plan. Elaborate,
expensive facilities do not guarantee good horsekeeping, equally, simple facilities do not indicate
poor care. Good management and proper care requires knowledge, dedication, and a sincere
interest in the well-being of the equine.
Horse ownership is a substantial financial investment that requires time, hard work, and sincere
dedication. As with any domestic animal or livestock maintained by humans, horses are
completely dependent on their owners. It does not matter if the owner, hired barn help or
farmhand tends to the daily chores; all needs are fulfilled by the caretaker. The following are
some realities of horse ownership provided for the purpose of defining the needs of horses.
There are the human factors that will influence the site-plan and the amenities included in that
site-plan and should include some of the following questions. Time. A horse requires a
minimum of two visits a day to tend to his needs and a general look over. How many hours a
day does your schedule allow for repairing facilities and tack, feeding, cleaning, grooming, and
exercising your horse? Hard work. The daily needs mentioned above include shoveling manure,
toting bales of hay, carrying water, giving a vigorous grooming, and an exercise program for
your horse. Are you physically fit or capable of hiring the personnel to perform these sometimes
“back-breaking” labors yourself? Trade-offs. Owning a horse may mean giving up other things
you like to do, need, or want; including sleep, warmth, and comforts. It is inevitable your horse
will become ill at bedtime, get injured as soon as you have plans, or slip on the ice during the
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fiercest storm of the century. Are you willing to make the sacrifices and put your horse first
when necessary? Legal. Horse owners have a legal obligation to their horse and members of the
community. Have you educated yourself with the laws and rules and met all requirements for
your area?
Horses are organic creatures with behavior patterns that have been a part of the horse for
60 million years. To make coping with these behavioral traits worse, humans set a dangerous
anthropomorphic trap by treating their horse like a human. The horse is not a human, nor should
he be thought of as a pet; rather a partner. Understanding the following behavioral traits and the
special needs of horses will assist with, if not dictate, planning a facility. Gregariousness.
Gregarious animals are social, find safety in numbers, and prefer to move in groups. Herd
bound. Often referred to as “barn sourness” occurs when a horse has not been socialized with
the owner, this lends to insecurity away from other animals in the barn. Pecking order. As with
people, not all horses get along. One horse in the group may battle for the alpha mare position
by asserting dominance over the other horses and their owner. Routines. A horse has a very
strong biological clock. Once a routine is established a horse’s eating, drinking, and sleeping
habits are set. Nomadic. The horse is an active born wanderer. A horse that does not receive
sufficient exercise or have access to an ample amount of space to stretch his legs may develop
vices (wood chewing, cribbing, pawing, weaving, tail and body rubbing, or stall kicking).
Senses. Horses have keen senses for sounds and smells; absorb information through their lips,
skin, and hairs (ie-is the electric fence on or off); dexterous lips that are capable of opening
gates; always on alert; slow ocular adjustments for light; sees with both monocular and binocular
vision which will cause image jump and visual distortions; and have an avid sense of curiosity.
Flight. A horse that senses danger will more times than not, choose to flee over reassessing the
situation. Memory. A horse has an excellent memory making it essential to do things right the
first time.
A horse cannot be healthy and content without the basic needs: a clean environment, feed, water,
shelter, exercise, rest, companionship, and veterinary and farrier care. Cleanliness. Feed. The
type and ration of feed is determined on a per horse basis. Horses generally cannot eat feed
together and must be separated during feeding time. The choice of grass and/or hay is dictated
by availability, the amount is also determined on a per horse basis; but usually 20 lbs a day.
Supplements can be provided as needed. Water. Horses drink between 4 and 20 gallons of
water a day. Shelter and protection. Horses do not require air-tight heated barns; actually this is
an unhealthy environment for a horse. Basically, all they need is a place to get out of the wind,
hot sun, and avoid staying wet in cold weather. Exercise. Exercise is very important to a horses
well being, but not all horses need to be ridden every day or require daily exercise. For nonriding
days, ponying, lounging, electric horse walkers and treadmills are alternative exercise
options. Individual exercise programs are developed for each horse. Rest. Horses rest in one of
three positions: standing, sternal recumbent, and lateral recumbent. It is rare that a horse will lie
down to rest or sleep. Companionship. Horses are social creatures that require interaction with
its own species. Veterinary and farrier care. Good health management practices will keep
veterinary and farrier costs down. There are some requirements to meet when a horse is being
shipped out of the state he lives in. Appreciation. No one can live happily without it.
Horses and other equines come in many sizes from the petite, miniature horse to the large
Clydesdale. Each breed has its own unique needs, often influenced not only by its size but also
for the type of activity it is used for. However, in an effort to provide general baseline guidance,
the Task Force will assume an average equine size to be 1,000 pounds. Based upon the average
hose, the following provides a general overview of what any equestrian owner must provide.
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Diet
The average horse needs to consume 1.5% to 3% of their body weight in food per day, or for the
average equine between 15 and 30 pounds of food. The amount of food fluctuates based upon
the equines daily regime as well as the season. A horse’s diet should consist primarily of pasture
grass and/or hay (70% to 100%) (Rutgers) and can be supplemented by cereal grains such as
corn, oats, barley, wheat (UK). In addition, minerals such as calcium and phosphorus are
important to a horse’s health, which are most often provided to the equine to through the
availability of saltlicks. A horse also requires vitamins A, D and E which may be added into its
diet through the use of supplements (UK). A mature horse will also consume upwards of 10 to
12 gallons of water per day depending on its size and specific make up of its diet (NDSU).
While these averages provide a basic understanding of the nutritional needs of a horse, the means
to provide those needs and the specific use of the horse will produce variations. Horses that are
pasture fed will certainly require less hay, and likely ease the burden of stall manure removal.
Horses that are in training for racing will require higher quantities of feed or higher mix of cereal
grains. (NDSU)
Exercise
Exercise, or turn out time, is an important need to the equine and plays an important role in the
digestive system of a horse. However, given the variety of uses for equines how it receives this
necessary movement also varies. Pasture grazing not only reduces the need for hay and eases
manure management but also provides for the exercise needs of the animal. In instances where
pastures are not available, turn out in drylots or paddocks is an option. Provided that the drylots
are properly cared for with adequate erosion control measures, proper drainage and manure
management an active farm property can easily hold many horses in this capacity. Lastly, for
those equines that are in training for shows or racing, or utilized for driving or riding programs
turnout may be unnecessary all together as the animal will receive sufficient exercise through
such uses. (Rutgers)
Veterinarian and Dental Care
As do their human companions, horses benefit from annual health checkups and need to be
vaccinated against tetanus and other diseases. Keep in mind medical emergencies, which are
always an unfortunate possibility, is an added health care expense that can cost several thousand
dollars to treat. Therefore, veterinary visits are an essential part of the routine horse care
required to maintain a healthy horse. The veterinarian will assist you to establish vaccination
and deworming programs, genital care, recommend appropriate dental care and hoof care
schedules, and monitor your horses overall health and condition. In addition, the veterinarian
will make recommendations for the individual needs of each horse.
The veterinarian will also recommend that you know your horses “normal” and that you conduct
a daily check of the horses well being. As far as the horse’s general health and monitoring for
health related issues, the veterinary examination will include recommendations for health care
essentials, a check of the horse’s temperature, pulse, and respiration. It may also include any or
all of the following:
1. The horse is bright and alert with ears pricked and taking interest in his surroundings.
2. The coat is smooth and shiny and lying flat over the body.
3. Eyes and nose are free of any discharge.
4. Limbs are free of any heat and swellings.
5. Stands squarely on all four feet.
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6. Eating well and chewing properly.
7. Manure should resemble damp balls that break up when hitting the ground and will vary
in color slightly depending on diet.
Health Care Essentials
Keep up to date with vaccinations: Vaccinations are an inexpensive way to ensure your horse's
long term health. Most horses are vaccinated twice a year. Spring and fall shots should be
considered standard practice for all responsible horse owners. Show horses that travel to many
events should be given additional booster shots (ie Equine Infectious Anemia (E.I.A.)) because
they come into contact with so many horses.
Included in most vaccination programs are inoculations for: influenza (flu), rhinopneumonitis
(rhino), eastern and western strains of encephalomyelitis (sleeping sickness), and tetanus. Other
inoculations are available for common illnesses like rabies and equine distemper (strangles),
EPM and West Nile Virus. Your veterinarian will recommend additional vaccines based on your
geographical location and level of activity and travel. In addition to helping ensure that your
horse will remain healthy, these vaccinations will give you a chance to meet with your
veterinarian and get his informed opinion on your horse's condition.
Follow a suitable worming program: Since horses are constantly exposed to intestinal worms
from the ground they graze on, they must be dewormed every six to eight weeks. Carrying a
heavy burden of worms can cause serious illness or death in equines, so regular and timely
treatment is crucial to your horse's health. Tube worming in the late fall and late spring may
also be recommended.
Have your horses teeth checked regularly: Regular dental care has become an important part of
health maintenance for today's horse. Proper teeth care can increase feed utilization, maximize
horse comfort, and improve the overall health and performance of your horse. Examination of
the horse's mouth is an important part of the routine veterinary visit. It should be noted that not
all veterinarians perform the procedures, such as rasping or floating, utilized to manage the
horses continually growing teeth; in which case a horse dentist would be recommended.
Genital care: Mares, geldings, and stallions will require genital care. In addition to
examinations, the care and cleansing of the genitalia is a necessary part of your horse’s hygiene
routine. If the owner is unable to perform the procedures for genital care, the veterinarian will
take care of it once a year. Usually at the time spring shots are given. (Equine Veterinary
Services)
Farrier Care
The farrier and his or her services are a critical component to the care and well being of any
equine. The specific hoof care that each equine will require varies from horse to horse and even
from foot to foot on the same horse. It is important to have a skilled farrier capable of evaluating
each foot, trimming hoof growth and applying shoes as needed. Equines kept in pasture may not
require shoes, but only regular trimming. Certain competition and draft horses may require
shoes that provide for additional traction, while a reigning horse would not. The typical show
horse will require shoeing every five to six weeks while, the casually ridden horse may be able to
wait up to eight weeks. As with so many other equine needs, the specific use and type of equine
will determine the frequency of farrier visits. (theHorse.com)
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Shelter
A healthy equine, either horse or mule, is by nature capable to living outdoors. However, they
will require shelter from extreme weather conditions. While shelter could potentially be natural,
such as a grove of trees for a well fed animal, it is much preferably to provide a man-made
structure. Barns and stables with stalls should have adequate space for the equine to lie down
and freely move its head, be ventilated, dry, with safe and reasonably clean flooring. If the
flooring is made from cement then bedding such as straw, wood chips or other material should
also be provided (Rutgers). Run in and covered sheds may also provide adequate shelter from the
elements.
Fencing
Horses are free-ranging herbivores and so naturally like to roam. They can and will often jump
over or run through fences if they are spooked or decide that the ‘grass is greener on the other
side’. Therefore it is important to utilize fencing material that is clearly visible to the horse. The
classic paddock fence style, made of wide wooden planks or a split rail style, demonstrate just
that. However, diamond mesh fence and high tensile wire fence can be used, but it is
recommended that streamers be placed along the wire to help improve visibility. Equines are
known to struggle and fight significantly if caught in fencing material, so barbed wire is highly
discouraged as it could cause significant damage to the horse. It is also recommended that
fencing be installed set back from property lines to prevent a horse from nibbling on a neighbor’s
tree and avoid unwanted neighbors from approaching the horse.
Feed Storage
Taking into consideration the diet of a horse, appropriate accommodations should also be given
to maintain the needed food for the animal for a two week period of time. Hay should be stored
in a dry location to prevent molding and loss of material. Store grain feeds in metal or plastic
bins to deter attraction of rodents and to protect them from insects – and your horse.
Manure Management
Given the quantity of food and water that a typical horse consumes in one day it is quite
understandable that the horse will also produce a substantial amount of waste in a single day. In
fact, the average horse will produce approximately 50 pounds of raw waste every day (around 35
pounds of feces and 2 gallons of urine). However, also given their diet, the majority of this
waste is comprised of water and 12.5 pounds of solids (EnviroHorse).
As mentioned above, pastured horses do much of their waste creation in the fields which may
reduce the need for collection and removal. However, those equines that are kept in stalls or
drylots will require a more active management approach. The average horse in a stall will
produce between 60 and 70 pounds of waste per day once soiled bedding is accounted. The type
of bedding will impact the density of the material, but on average it will create 2.4 cubic feet of
material that will need to be removed and properly disposed (Rutgers).
How to handle and dispose of this material has been studied and recommendations issued by
many leading institutions including Rutgers, Penn State, and to assist in the preparation of this
Report, Suffolk County’s Soil and Water Conservation District in conjunction with the USDA
(Appendix VII). Concerns around the disposal of manure center on three important items; run
off and pollution, odor and pest control measures.
Manure has high levels of nitrogen, phosphates and potash, all which make it an excellent
fertilizer. However, all also are pollutants once they enter ground or surface waters. Therefore,
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a dedicated area should be located on a property to either compost the material or for storage
until it can be removed. Preferably the storage location should have an impervious base, with a
backstop, located away from surface water and with sufficient drainage to a grass buffer area. It
should be protected from rainfall to prevent leachate from forming. Leachate is the brown liquid
that is the primary means for the pollutants to enter surface and ground water. Some owners
have found the use of dumpsters, which can be carted away as an effective alternative to a
manure pad (Penn State).
In addition, flies are often associated with manure in warmer months as their breeding season
begins once temperatures exceed 65 degrees. A fly will lay its eggs in the top few inches of
fresh manure, as it has the desired moisture for its larva to develop. A single fly can produce up
to 300 million flies within 60 days in ideal conditions,
08/27/2010 12:40:05 PM
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Hi Everyone,
I attended the (Suffolk Equestrian Task Force) meeting in Huntington last
night. Unfortunately, very few attendees ----I had read through a copy of
26 pages of the document and an appendix of horse organizations (there was
quite a bit more to the report that was available to take at the meeting).
After the panel explained how the Task Force & report came to be, and what
the goals were, they invited comments from the audience. I appreciate their
hard work and the document reflects a lot of thought and effort to be
comprehensive. That said, they are missing some organizations and are
looking for more ideas and comments. We all will need to brainstorm , and
lots more horse people need to show up at the next 2 meetings. Once the
open forums finish and the task force report is tweaked ----the panel will
be bringing this info to the town & village officials who have the zoning
power and therefore, power to make changes. Officials need to see that we
are involved and really care about what happens. That means the entire
varied horse community must come together.
We also need to bring the document and formation of an equestrian task
force to the attention of the Nassau County Legislature, so that perhaps we
can improve the situation here as well.
If you have any questions, I urge you to contact new NSHA president (and
task force member)---Denise Spezio. dspezio@optonline.net
Regards,
Kathleen Kleinman
08/27/2010 12:30:04 PM
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Life is like a big ole "Lazy Susan" Whatever you put on, It's just a matter of time before it comes back around to ya!
08/27/2010 12:03:35 PM
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left no email ? please contact!
08/27/2010 10:43:45 AM
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DRESSAGE RIDER NEEDED with the lusitano has no email posted.?
08/27/2010 10:33:28 AM
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Amazing that the a news channel in California reported on this...
Wow....
I am sorry for what she went through with her husband, but this is just absurd and horrible.
I put the truth with the Suffolk SPCA because they dont go after things if there is no merit to them....
I guess my screen name says it all...
08/27/2010 09:35:21 AM
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August 26, 2010 By BILL MASON bill.mason@newsday.com
A Manorville horse farm operator was arrested and charged with animal cruelty for euthanizing dogs improperly and without a veterinarian's license, and with endangering the welfare of children by destroying the animals in the presence of two minors, the Suffolk SPCA said.
Mona Kanciper, 48, who operates a horse farm at 15 South St., was arraigned on the charges Wednesday in First District...
08/26/2010 10:58:56 PM
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Thursday, August 26, 6 to 8 p.m.
William Rogers Legislative Building
725 Veterans Highway, Hauppauge
Did anyone go to the above meeting ? If so please post on here what the outcome was and turnout.
Thanks!
08/26/2010 09:37:00 PM
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Is it true that Timothy/Grass hay has
more vitamins than a Grass mix hay.
I ordered a 2nd cut Grass mix hay
from Neptune and my gelding loves it.Not
one drop is ever left on the ground.I guess
I should go with what he loves the best.
Any comments I would appreciate it.Thanks.
08/26/2010 09:21:13 PM
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Justice is served.
08/26/2010 08:48:48 PM
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Looking for Kelly who rode Oso at Caumsett a couple of years ago. Mothers name is Kathy. Please e-mail me @ Meisse@aol.com.
08/26/2010 06:03:15 PM
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NBHA FRIDAY NITE AUG 27TH |
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DONT FORGET NBHA SHOW FRIDAY LAST SHOW POINTED FOR LOCAL AWARDS!!! POINTED TOWARD WORLD POINTS TOO!
OAKWOOD FARM OAK STREET MEDFORD WARM UPS START WHEN YOU ARE READY TO GO BUT OFFICIALLY 630. WE WILL BE THERE ABOUT 5 TO SET UP SO COME EARLY FOR GOOD PARKING!!! SEE EVENT COLUMN FOR FURTHER INFO!
WE HAVE ONE MORE SHOW THAT IS STILL TO BE POINTED FOR WORLD SHOW AT JP NORTH OCTOBER 9TH 5000 ADDED MONNEY!
HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE FRIDAY!!
IF YOU JUST WANT TO TRY BARRELS COME DO WARMUPS 5.00 EAch we also have a class for lil partners 10 and under 5.00 for ribbons only 10.00 if you want to get them in the running for some money pay backs! CAN BE LEADLINE OR RIDE ALONE!!
PLEASE REMEMBER NO DOGS ARE PERMITTED TO BE BROUGHT TO OAKWOOD!!! THANK YOU!! THE WEATHER LOOKS TERRIFIC TOO!!
08/26/2010 04:01:38 PM
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Barn for Lease 11-20 Stalls |
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Hi
I need a barn for lease with at least 11-20 stalls. If anyone has one please e mail me.
Sharyn@lihorseproperties.com
Enjoy this day!!
08/26/2010 07:44:46 AM
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I have a well schooled Lusitano that is looking for a 1/4 boarder. Please email me for more information.
Thank you.
08/26/2010 05:52:28 AM
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Liz -Exercise rider |
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I have several horses needing exercise in Smithtown . Please e-mail me at cbk1996@aol.com if you are interested.
08/25/2010 11:11:32 PM
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Equestrian Task Force |
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Did any of the board members go to the town meeting? Can someone please let us know what was said or done.
08/25/2010 10:30:24 PM
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please email me via the RV ; horsegodess83@yahoo.com thanks!
08/25/2010 08:45:26 PM
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Great Trail Horse!! |
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Just want to point out a great mare that is for sale among the camp horses in the sale section of LIequine. She is a perfect, quiet trail horse, 10 years old, athletic, pretty, perfect ground manners. Great western trail horse! Email me at FLequestrian@aol.com for more info.
08/25/2010 07:49:16 PM
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Boots for horse |
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Thanks everyone for the info on boots. I have the farrier coming out tomorrow to help me measure & I will make the purchase by the end of the wk. I am leaning towards the Cavallo Simple boots. Will let ya know how they work...
08/25/2010 11:27:29 AM
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Excercise Rider |
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Experienced Rider looking to exercise your horse. I presently own a "pasture potatoe" and can not afford a half lease etc. Just want to ride. I am also looking for lessons for my 7 yr old daughter will barter for them. Thanks for looking.. Happy Trails
Liz
08/25/2010 09:19:04 AM
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oking to help you with your horse/barn
Hi, I am 12 yrs old and i am looking for a job relating to horses. I have been riding for 4 yrs, ridden
many different horses and ridden with tons of different trainers. I can be a groom, stable hand, or
exercise your horse/horses for you. I don't mind riding horses that do everything you ask them to
do at all but i love a challenge! I love riding horses that are difficult to ride but they need to be safe
if i am going to be there without supervision. The only things i can think of that i can't do is wrap
horses legs, clip, shave, worm/give medications and feed horses. I am a very willing learner! I get a long with everyone and am a very hard worker!
Please email me at noeyhorseluva@aol.com.
08/24/2010 09:13:13 PM
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looking for rider |
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I am in need of an intermediate or advanced rider to lease my horse, very neg. price.. I am pregnant and can not ride and do not want him to sit he is a very good boy our farm has indoor and out door ring. please email me at csoldner112@yahoo.com
08/24/2010 06:59:23 PM
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Hi Christna, saw your post looking for me on Aug. 17, please call, 631-739-4984,
Dan
08/24/2010 06:50:41 PM
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attn: starfish |
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please email me about weekend riding.
csoldner112@yahoo.com
08/24/2010 06:44:06 PM
[ mscxothing1@yahoo.com ]
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please email me for information on a barn for your daughter.
csoldner112@yahoo.com
08/24/2010 06:42:58 PM
[ mscxothing1@yahoo.com ]
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boots |
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I got my easyboots from Jeneane Mercuri, at "Pride Treeless Saddles" in Ridge. 345-2644
08/24/2010 05:45:47 PM
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Boots |
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I purchased a pair of Renegades from Jeannean Mercuri and they work really well. She even helped to measure Colby's feet to ensure the right fit. Email me if you'd like and I will put the two of you together. :-)
08/24/2010 02:22:46 PM
[ Promogal ]
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need braider asap |
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Looking for a reliable braided asap. Please email me at taracat24@aol.com
08/24/2010 11:15:41 AM
[ taracat24@aol.com ]
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Still Room Left Hurry!!! |
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“Chaps and Chardonnay”
Trail Blazing Ranch Rides
Sept. 10-12 & Sept. 17-19, 2010
WOW, roaring with fun and camaraderie!! The sounds of clip clop, birds, neighing horses and laughter surround your day. Nestled beautifully on hundreds of spectacular colored acres, lush meadows, scenic rolling hills, serene forests and breathtaking views located in Jamesville, NY. The only real western guest ranch in the Northeast, named The Hilltop Ranch. Stay at an authentic ranch overnight, ride half or all day long building confidence, riding skills and friendships with the instruction of your host Katherine Barbarite of Whispering Hooves, LLC Take rides to the local tavern and sunset rides with the cow folk; enjoy wonderful accommodations, great food, and gentle sure-footed horses. Recap in the evening at happy hour with stories and song of the day. Feel like you are out west but with the convenience of only a drive away. Karaoke and dancing by the camp fire, just add color. For further information please contact Kathy at #631-764-7515 or email kathy@whisperinghooves.com . Hurry an opportunity not to be missed, fills up quickly!! Please feel free to share this with friends and colleagues.
08/24/2010 09:25:23 AM
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Horse needs work |
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Roz
Contact me at kathy@whisperinghooves.com
08/24/2010 09:18:41 AM
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Instructor for your Daughter |
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Anna
Contact me at kathy@whisperinghooves.com
08/24/2010 09:16:37 AM
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Sorry for the delay in getting the results out, I've been busy with the Youth Group Mystery dinner! Salli & Lou are inputting the results into the program now so the results will be up ASAP and shortly after we will have the end of year results up. Sorry for the delay & thank you for your patience.
Loretta
08/24/2010 08:54:24 AM
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Jumps Made on Long Island |
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We just had a full set of jumps made by Matt. He is great to work with and his prices are wonderful! matt@lihorseproperties.com
Enjoy...they come out beautiful :)
Brittany
Project Sage Horse Rescue
www.projectsagehorserescue.org
08/23/2010 11:58:53 PM
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Pictures of FREE KITTENS! |
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I now have pictures of the kittens for adoption at Smithtown Village
Animal Hospital! Two male, two female. Email leh8@geneseo.edu for
the pics! They are absolutely adorable and healthy! If you would
like to adopt them FOR FREE please call 265-7170.
08/23/2010 11:13:14 PM
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butet saddle classy |
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to the person who posted an ad in classifieds looking for a used butet. you didn't put contact info. email me at mysisco1@aol.com
thanks!
08/23/2010 07:52:24 PM
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Hi Bree, I saw your request in the Bargain Barn looking for a draft sized rope halter and parelli style
12" lead. I do have a draft sized rope halter that i'd be willing to sell. I don't have the lead though,
only the rope lunge line. If you'd like the halter, please send me an email at: solitairemare@aol.com
08/23/2010 03:25:02 PM
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Does any know where I can buy new or used jumps? Please contact me at horseonahill@me.com.
08/23/2010 01:39:17 PM
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Hello,
I'm a long Island native moving back to the area. In the past I've found work through sites dedicated to horse jobs in a specific location. I have yet to find such a site for the Long Island area. In fact, I keep finding my way back to this site when I search "Long Island Equine Jobs" on GOOGLE. Am I missing a part of this site dedicated to equine employment? Does anyone have any information on sites more related to the equine job industry on Long Island? Any help/ideas would be useful.
Thank you for reading.
08/23/2010 01:27:10 PM
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does any one know the results for IHA horse show august 1st? it isnt on the web cite yet.
08/23/2010 11:35:42 AM
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Hey Everyone, Just a quick question. What are the rules in brookhaven township, if i were to have one of the shed row barns dropped off. Since it is not a permanent structure, is this an exception? Thanks in advance.
08/23/2010 09:35:46 AM
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Equestrain Task Force
MEDIA RELEASE~
FROM THE OFFICE OF LEGISLATOR JACK EDDINGTON
PUBLIC INVITED
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Robert Calarco
August 18, 2010 Office: 631.854.1400
Cell: 523-1586
EQUESTRIAN TASK FORCE PUBLIC HEARINGS
Suffolk County Legislator Jack Eddington invites all interested members of the equine community and industry and all other interested parties to attend public hearings to take place before the Equestrian Task Force. The task force, which is comprised of public officials, members of the equestrian community, various county agencies and town representatives, is looking to solicit input from interested parties about their experiences regarding the equestrian industry and comments about the Equestrian Task Force Draft Report which can be accessed online at the Suffolk County Legislature web site. Go to Schedules, Boards and Commissions and look for Equestrian Task Force.
Hearing dates and locations:
Tuesday, August 24, 6 to 8 p.m.
Huntington Town Hall
100 Main Street, Huntington
Wednesday, August 25, 6 to 8 p.m.
Maxine Postal Legislative Building
Griffing County Center
300 Center Drive, Riverhead
Thursday, August 26, 6 to 8 p.m.
William Rogers Legislative Building
725 Veterans Highway, Hauppauge
08/23/2010 08:09:15 AM
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As a newbie to this board you should be aware that horse people are just like all people. There are good people and not so good people. It is not only on LI but all over. I remember as a young person, a horse was sold to a stable I rode at by an olympic rider who went on to coach our Olympic team until quite recently. The last sound step the horse took was off the van. He was so drugged up with pain meds that as soon as it wore off they had an expensive, very lame pasture pet. Buyer beware. Anyway remember many people may have an axe to grind so take everything with a grain of salt, do your homework and make your own decision.
08/23/2010 06:57:10 AM
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I have a friend who got a call today needing a home for 3 baby ducks. They were ordered as gift, but the person cannot keep them as they are moving from their current home to one with no property at all. Anyway, she knows I have horses and asked me if I knew anyone interested. They are 2 weeks old. A Cayuga,Pekin and I forget the other. Please email if interested.
08/22/2010 10:21:06 PM
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Vollunteer! |
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To All High School Seniors
If you will be trying to complete your community service obligation this year for graduation and would like to do so with Project Sage Horse Rescue we would be happy to have you as a volunteer. We are a non profit 501 (c)(3) organization and will be glad to provide you with a letter to satisfy your requirements. We are located in Northport. We will have sign up starting in Sept., but if you already know your requirements feel free to email me now to put your name on the list.
We have weekend and after school hours that may fit into your schedule. Bring a friend and enjoy the horses. Contact me at projectsagehorserescue@gmail.com
Thank you,
Brittany
Project Sage Horse Rescue
08/22/2010 04:41:08 PM
[ Britt ]
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New Message Board Soon |
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The moderator job on this site is very hard. It is a 24 hour job and it takes a lot of energy and reading. The moderators do from time to time take off.
Many times things that should not go on do get on. We do the best we can to keep the site clean. A good moderator makes errors sometimes and you can not make everyone happy.
What you need to understand is that mistakes happen and then we do find them and take them off the site. A good moderator will remove things that are not nice. True or false if is not nice so it should be removed.
We do not take sides. Sometimes I think about what would happen if we left the site unattended for too long.
On another note:
We are very close to the new website being completed. I hope you will all love it as much as I do!
I hope it goes smooth, it may launch this week or next. It is being tested on Monday and Tuesday for any errors.
The new site will be much more user friendly especially with the placement of ads.
The message board will be really great!
Stay tuned,
Sharyn
08/22/2010 01:54:48 PM
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I think theres a fine line behind bashing and personal experience that holds truth.. For strict example,I bought a horse from a trainer , who im sure you ALL know who the person is if i mentioned her. Well i was lied to and taken for quite a ride. The horse was opposite of what i was sold. You would THINK some one with a huge reputation to uphold would be honest, BUT that dosent always mean they will be .... Just keep that in mind. I don't know the people being spoken about. But, in my experience with many horse professionals and big barns RIGHT HERE on long island , I have some horror storys no one would ever even beleive b/c the place or person is so 'respected' . There is 3 sides to every story .
08/22/2010 01:43:55 PM
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Hello, If you are looking for a nice place for your daughter to take riding lessons please contact me. Project Sage Horse Rescue at Two Cousins Farm has a wonderful new riding program. I have many girls at the farm that are your daughters age. The atmosphere is laid back, fun, and educational as we are the home to many rescue horses as well. The kids love coming to the farm to take lessons in our beautiful state of the art riding ring and then visiting with the rescue horses after their lessons. We are not far from you at all. Please call me and we can talk in regard to your needs. 631-239-1784 Brittany
To Starfish: Call me and we can set up a riding plan for you. I have many horses that love to be ridden every day. It sounds like you would make a great addition to out Project Sage team. Call or email me at projectsagehorserescue@gmail.com
Thank you,
Brittany
Project Sage Horse Rescue
www.projectsagehorserescue.org
08/22/2010 01:26:46 PM
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Are you suggesting that I am going to expose my daughter to some sort of corruption or criminal mind no matter who I choose for her as a riding instructor here in Long Island?
If that is the case then my assumption is wrong that horse people in all parts of the world, including Long Island are primarly above the mainstream population when it comes to morals, values and integrity. Where I come from, those who are involved in the horse community tend to be more pure than the average business owner. Yes, riding instructing & horse prospecting is still a business but horse people, I thought, are supposed to be better than cutting corners and breaking laws just to make an extra buck.
I tend to hope that you are incorrect. Horsemanship is about purety and honesty. It begins with being honest to oneself, then honest with one's horse. It then evolves to being honest to others. Only at that most simple level will any horse full trust its rider.
I guess I really am a niave out-of-towner. Okay... I am all ears-
Please continue educate me on what I need to know to protect my daughter.
It is very curious to me that the people who defend this trainer never say that all this is untrue. I have no bad feelings for the person who came on to warn me. I just agree she or he should have left out names. If it is true and it seems that it is, I have a choice on where to go. I feel bad that this board has taken the back of someone who is doing these unjust things and not the person who did the warning. In my opinion, Ana was simply trying to help me out. You are defending the murderer not the murdered JUST AN EXAMPLE.
Can anyone say these things are lies. What you wish to say is that these type of people are who you associate with and are friends of yours. I would be unconfortable to leave my horses at an place that is not above board no pun intended. I also do not wish to have my daugher exposed to this type of lifestyle there are many legal barns I HOPE. How many acres is this farm anyway does anyone know. Please leave names out of any replies if you have something negative to say.
08/22/2010 12:15:20 PM
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Bree - contact Jeannean Mercuri - she is a barefoot trimmer who sells Cavallo boots as well as others - see her website at gotreeless.com (has her phone number there). She can give you a lot of insight on the different boots. I spoke with Cavallo and they had said they have to basically be an exact fit which makes me think you have to have more than one size as your horse is growing? Not sure - Jeannean is great to speak with.
08/22/2010 10:31:55 AM
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I don't understand why Julie feels the need to bash a trainer on a public BB.
I have known Deb and Marty for years, they are both hard working, talented professionals.
It appears Julie has a vendetta and is using LI Equine as a way to get even.
I find this behavior disgusting.and offensive.
08/22/2010 09:54:08 AM
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The harboring or stabling of horses or ponies shall be in compliance with the following requirements:
(1)The proposed use shall be on not less than one-half (1/2) acre of land.
(2)There shall not be more than one (1) horse or pony per one-half (1/2) acre of land, except that on a plot of three-fourths (3/4) acre two (2) such animals may be permitted. On a plot of one (1) acre, three (3) such animals may be permitted. Additional horses or ponies may be permitted at the rate of one (1) such animal per additional one-half (1/2) acre. The use shall be accessory to the principal residential use of the property or shall be for the purpose of agricultural use. All activities shall be conducted for the use of the resident. No boarding or rental of horses or ponies shall be permitted whatsoever.
(3)All horses or ponies shall be sheltered in barns, stables or other roofed structures which shall be constructed and maintained in accordance with the Building Code of the Town of Smithtown and pursuant to all applicable provisions of this chapter.
(4)All horses or ponies shall be harbored in a fenced-in area that does not encroach into any required front or side yard. Furthermore, the fence shall be set back at least six (6) feet from any side or rear property line. The fence shall be between four (4) and six (6) feet in height and shall be constructed of suitable material. All enclosures shall provide for a gate with a safety latch or lock.
As you can see, paragraph (2) lays down some very important law. When the town says the use of horses "shall be accessory to the principal residential use of the property" it is saying that since the property itself is only zoned residential, the horses on the property cannot be used for business or commercial use. The moment a riding instructor accepts payment in exchange for providing riding lessons, that person has crossed the legal boundary between "pleasure pursuit" and "business pursuit". This code clearly makes it illegal for horses to be used for business purposes on residentially zoned properties within the town of Smithtown.
I will go one step further and state that this also includes LEASING HORSES as the code does state "no boarding or rental of horses or ponies shall be permitted whatsoever". Leasing by definition is long-term rental and not legal in the town of Smithtown. As you can see, this section also contains the 3 horse per acre law as many are aware. It also cobers the fencing rules (which many of you will be shocked to learn that all paddocks and ridibng rings must be at least 6 feet away from any property line.
If you are asking yourself, "what would make it legal to start my own riding school?" then the answer can be found in Article XII 322-82 Special Exception uses paragraph 8-
front the Smithtown town code
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From Janine- It is illegal to run a business on any residential property in Nassau and Suffolk Counties. That is what the Suffolk County Equestrian Task Force is trying to address. Most of us could not own horses if the Towns ever enforced these rules. So lets not single out anyone, let sleeping dogs lie, because it affects us all.
08/22/2010 09:17:05 AM
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Hello,
I am looking for someone who needs help with riding and is located in Suffolk County. I have
school so I can only do the weekends. I have had two working student jobs and I have ridden
primarily H/J since I was five. I would consider myself an experienced 3 ft rider. I outgrew my
horse and sold him but now I am looking for something else to ride. I would consider a situation
where I did barn work in exchange for riding. If you need help or know of someone who might
please let me know!
Thanks!
08/21/2010 09:55:08 PM
[ Starfish ]
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riding instructor |
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olde towne equestrian center in selden is very close to you 631-513-0261 or email oldetownee@aol.com
08/21/2010 07:32:35 PM
[ oldetownee ]
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Riding Instructor for my daughter |
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I am searching for a riding instructor Smithtown/Huntington/Medford area. My daughter is 12 years old. I do not wish to travel very far. She rides English. We currently live in Centereach.
08/21/2010 06:15:20 PM
[ ana reed ]
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Experience with Cavallo boots?? |
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I am interested in purchasing a pair of the Cavallo boots for my one horse who seems to be sore footed on dry/rocky footing. I just wanted to hear how everyone who uses them likes the products? And if anyone has any complaints?? I plan to measure today & order this week! Thanks in advance....
08/21/2010 04:06:50 PM
[ Bree ]
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Task Force |
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Benemom
The mission is laid out in the draft document.
http://lidcta.com/SC_Equestrian_DRAFT_Report.pdf
Part of the problem is the inconsistent approach taken by each town regarding 'horse' zoning. Also property taxes play a part in this as does the definition of a horse property. So can't give a one line summary.
There has been considerable information posted about this project over the last 6-8 months and many of the meetings were open to the public.
http://www.tristatehunterjumper.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53%3Asuffolk-county-li-task-force&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=1&lang=en
The above link points to an article about the Task Force.
Please support the task force by attending one of the public sessions.
08/21/2010 02:33:04 PM
[ Sally Rosenberg ]
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IHA WP correction |
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Please note the following correction:
ALL AGE CLASS STANDINGS:
Showmanship: Grand, Patti Wolf; Reserve, Antoinette DeGruccio; Third, Vicki Fugina; Fourth, Vanessa Wolney; Fifth, Anna Rowan
The correction will not be reflected in the plaque posting on LIequine. It will be changed in the plague posting on the IHA website.
Thanks, Patti, for getting to me so quickly!
08/21/2010 11:59:33 AM
[ Knotty's Mom ]
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Task Force |
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Would someone please explain the mission of this. Thanks in advance.
08/21/2010 08:50:44 AM
[ Benemom ]
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Fri Aug 20
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Knoll Farm Dressage in October |
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The prizelist for Knoll Farm Dressage in Oct is now available for download at www.lidcta.com. Look under Events.
08/20/2010 09:45:04 PM
[ Chris ]
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Equestrian Task Force Draft Report is available for download |
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The Equestrian Task Force Draft Report is available for download at www.lidcta.com. Follow the link.
A BIG thank you to Denise Speizio and her committee for putting this report together. Excellent job!
I urge ALL members of the horse community to read this comprehensive report and come to the meetings to let your voice be heard.
Christina Tabacco-Weber
Pres. LIDCTA
08/20/2010 09:43:33 PM
[ Chris ]
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Looking for a FREE KITTEN? |
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Smithtown Village Animal Hospital currently has four 12 week old
kittens for adoption completely free! Two male two female. They are
FELV/FIV (feline leukemia and HIV) negative, have been dewormed, and
received their first kitten shot. They come with a free starter kit,
which includes frontline and food. I work there and have had the
opportunity to play with them - they are complete sweethearts who
will put a smile on your face! If interested, please call Smithtown
Village Animal Hospital at 631-265-7170
08/20/2010 09:08:50 PM
[ Leh8 ]
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Swap Meets |
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does anyone know of any swap meets that are coming up? Thanks!
08/20/2010 09:08:19 PM
[ lgk19 ]
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IHA Western Pleasure End-of-Year |
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The end-of-year results for the Western Pleasure 2010 Show Series are posted on the IHA website and under Barn News. There are two postings, one for the Division Awards, and one for the individual class standings for the plaques. Please check the spelling in both. One is sent to the printer of the Awards Booklet and one is sent to the engraver.
08/20/2010 06:32:11 PM
[ Knotty's Mom ]
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EQUESTRIAN TASK FORCE |
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MEDIA RELEASE~
FROM THE OFFICE OF LEGISLATOR JACK EDDINGTON
PUBLIC INVITED
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Robert Calarco
August 18, 2010 Office: 631.854.1400
Cell: 523-1586
EQUESTRIAN TASK FORCE PUBLIC HEARINGS
Suffolk County Legislator Jack Eddington invites all interested members of the equine community and industry and all other interested parties to attend public hearings to take place before the Equestrian Task Force. The task force, which is comprised of public officials, members of the equestrian community, various county agencies and town representatives, is looking to solicit input from interested parties about their experiences regarding the equestrian industry and comments about the Equestrian Task Force Draft Report which can be accessed online at the Suffolk County Legislature web site. Go to Schedules, Boards and Commissions and look for Equestrian Task Force.
Hearing dates and locations:
Tuesday, August 24, 6 to 8 p.m.
Huntington Town Hall
100 Main Street, Huntington
Wednesday, August 25, 6 to 8 p.m.
Maxine Postal Legislative Building
Griffing County Center
300 Center Drive, Riverhead
Thursday, August 26, 6 to 8 p.m.
William Rogers Legislative Building
725 Veterans Highway, Hauppauge
08/20/2010 07:20:18 AM
[ sharyn ]
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Thu Aug 19
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Baby Cottontails are Safe. |
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Thank you everyone who emailed and reposted about the Bunnies post you were all a great help. We
returned them to their home and kept the cat in and the mother has been coming back to take care
of them!
08/19/2010 11:50:25 PM
[ Jenny McCormack ]
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Looking For a Barn |
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Hello!
I'm looking for a new barn to board two horses at. Barn must have an indoor or a covered ring that can be ridden in all year round if a backyard barn. Turnout is a must. Cleanliness is a must. My one horse is an easy keeper but my other horse is high maintenence (he has allergies, supplements, boots fly mask tail wrap on/off for t/o, special food, hay, and bedding etc) I want my horses to be taken care of not just forgotten! I'd prefer if grass was on the property for grazing. Nice sized riding rings are a must and a happy atmosphere is greatly appreciated!
I would like the barn to be no further then 20 minutes from Oakdale.
Thanks in advance!! - kickapoodrummer@aim.com
08/19/2010 10:46:45 PM
[ Arianna ]
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Pamela |
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Please, email me kaberman1@aim.com. Your email isn't showing up even when I sign in! Would love
to tell you all about him!
08/19/2010 10:04:59 PM
[ Kim M ]
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Theraputic Riding |
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Dosen't saddle rock have a program? They are right here in Middle island.
http://www.saddlerockstables.com/
08/19/2010 07:28:49 PM
[ giana m ]
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IHA AWARDS DINNER DANCE CORRECTION RE COST OF TICKETS |
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There was an error in the IHA Newsletter re the cost of tickets to the IHA Awards Dinner Dance. Please go to the IHA website: www.isliphorsemensassociation.com for the correct information and to download a ticket application form. If you have any questions, please call. My telephone number is in the newsletter. Angela
08/19/2010 06:53:52 PM
[ IHA President ]
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RE InstantKarma |
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Hi their is a place in middle island called saddle rock ranch, they have a nice Theraputic Riding program. They do not however offer Hippotherapy
08/19/2010 06:33:30 PM
[ Ann M ]
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TO KIM M |
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email me re your horse :)
08/19/2010 02:51:08 PM
[ Pamela Dellysse ]
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MJZ Horse Rescue Garage Sale Sat. Aug. 21st 9-5 |
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We are having a garage sale at 172 Dayton Avenue in Manorville this Saturday from 9-5 to benefit MJZ Horse Rescue Inc. Please come down and support your local rescue and visit with the horses.
08/19/2010 01:58:39 PM
[ Michelle Z. ]
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bunnies |
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http://www.volunteersforwildlife.org/baby-rabbit/
Also,It is a myth that touching a baby mammal briefly will cause the mother to abandon it.
That site has a direct hotline and are local on long island.
08/19/2010 01:26:01 PM
[ giana m ]
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MJZ Horse Rescue Inc.- New Rescue |
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MJZ Horse Rescue Inc. pulled a horse from Camelots kill pen. He is a 10 year old 15h tobiano paint gelding but he has a proud flesh wound. We expect him to recover fully from it. We are in need of gauze and vet wrap. If you would like to make a donation on his behalf to help with vet costs please paypal payment to mjzhorserescue@optonline.net all donations are tax deductible as we are 501c3 pending. We are also looking for fosters if anyone has a stall available. Thanks :)
08/19/2010 10:44:18 AM
[ Michelle Z. ]
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More Theraputic Riding? |
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Hi - thanks for the responses.
I looked at Horseability and its a bit too far...and no Pal O Mine...any places east? Like in Medford, Middle Island?
08/19/2010 08:46:12 AM
[ InstantKarma ]
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High School and Middle School Interscholastic Riding Team Meeting |
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Remember-- Monday 11-1---- Iea High school Interscholastic Team, mounteed meeting. Call 631-345-9585 to sign up.
08/19/2010 07:52:38 AM
[ DRK ]
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Therapeutic ride |
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Horseability in Melville or Pal o mine (further east so may be better).
08/19/2010 06:45:43 AM
[ longislandequinesportsmassage@gmail.com ]
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Donation for Project Sage Chinese Auction |
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Hi Brit,
I met you at Ketcham during your grand opening. I am the sole proprietor of Long Island Equine Sports Massage and ould be willing to donate gift certificates for your chinese auction. Please email at longislandequinesportsmassage@gmail.com if you are interested.
Diana
08/19/2010 06:42:28 AM
[ longislandequinesportsmassage@gmail.com ]
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Therapeutic Riding and Hippotherapy |
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Call Pal-O-Mine Equestrian re: Therapeutic Riding or Hippotherapy for your child. They will be happy to give you a site visit if you make an appointment ahead of time. You are sure to see results and your child will love the experience. The facility is very easily accessible off of the LIE at exit 58 www.pal-o-mine.org (631) 348-1389
08/18/2010 10:58:07 PM
[ Cthompson ]
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More cotton(tales) |
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PS. Oftentimes, it may look like a bunny nest is abandoned, but often their mother is out there, never too far away, secretly coming back for regular nursing/nest tending when she is sure you (and any cats) are nowhere around :)
08/18/2010 10:35:22 PM
[ SSP ]
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Cottontails |
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Every year there are many bunny nests on my property. If you come across one, or it is accidentally disturbed by your pet, the best thing to do is to simply leave the bunnies be in their nest. If you remove them, they might appear to be 'in shock' but when introduced back to their nest, they will cuddle in, and know exactly where they are.
Handle them as little as possible (if they get your scent or your cat's scent, their mother might reject them). If their eyes are not yet open, they are not yet weaned and will starve unless nursed regularly by their mother. So, try to put them back ASAP, and try to keep your cat away from the site. Good luck.
08/18/2010 10:31:27 PM
[ SSP ]
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yes k @aol |
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yes k it is to annoy the crap out of us. love you. lol joanne
>>>J you are the best! K<<<
08/18/2010 10:12:49 PM
[ joane ]
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Hippotherapy/Theraputic Riding? |
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Hi,
Would anyone know of a good Hippotherapy/Theraputic Riding place east of the Bohemia area who would work with my 4 year old?
Thanks in advance..
08/18/2010 06:46:57 PM
[ InstantKarma ]
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Jenny M. |
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You could try 631-728-WILD(9453) For sick or injured animals.
08/18/2010 05:58:35 PM
[ Lynda Smith ]
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Photo's of gymkhana |
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Anyone interested in pictures from the IHa gymkhana shows of the NBHA should contact donnarae@yahoo.com
08/18/2010 03:52:27 PM
[ Donna Rae ]
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HELP: Wild Cottontail Babies. |
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My cat found a wild cottontail nest in our back yard the babies eyes are still closed, I herd that you
should find a wildlife rehabilitation center for wild rabbits but I don't know of any, I believe they
madybe in shock we put them all together in a box with soft towel and some grass from the nest
area. Please if you or anyone you know is able to help or give advice we would greatly appreciate it.
My email is jm164723@albany.edu
08/18/2010 03:47:06 PM
[ Jenny McCormack ]
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Jane Savoie Dressage Saddle 17" Black for sale |
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For Sale: Jane Savoie Dressage Saddle 17" Black, see ad under classified! EquineLI@yahoo.com
08/18/2010 10:24:38 AM
[ EquineLI ]
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Gift Certs wanted! |
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Project Sage is having a large dinner dance in October with a huge Chinese Auction. We are looking for gift certificates and baskets for this. We are hoping all of the local barns will be willing to donate riding lessons/trails for our fundraiser. We are also hoping if anyone has any connections with restaurants, tack shops, stores, etc. that they could contact and get to donate something to the fundraiser. Another option is making a gift basket yourself to donate. We have had some amazing baskets donated already!
Also looking for any equine Massage Therapists that are interested in donating Gift Certs.
The items DO NOT need to be horse related so if anyone has anything they would like to donate please contact me at projectsagehorserescue@gmail.com
Thank you in advance,
Brittany
Project Sage Horse Rescue
08/18/2010 10:08:58 AM
[ Britt ]
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